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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 2:42:31 GMT -5
Honestly, their best bet is to try and pry Luke Walton from the hands of Golden State. Why? Because he was there as Golden State was rebuilding this team, knows how to build a contender for this day in age, and he lets the players use their strengths. Plus, it'd take Walton away from the Warriors and anyone else who would potentially want him. And honestly, Walton is 'Plan B', considering Thibs went to Minnesota. And I agree, those GM/Coach deals are absurd and would never do that. (ie. Chip Kelly with the Eagles, and it's always a disaster) I'm not sold on Walton. He was not there when the Warriors rebuilt, he's been there just as long as Kerr has. I don't think Walton is responsible for the Warriors great start to the season. He was simply executing Steve Kerr's plan with a group of great players. Can he develop these young guys? I don't know. Can he win as thee head coach with lesser players? I don't know. Of course he could be a great coach but I'm just not sold. I'd almost be more willing to pick up Mark Jackson over him if it weren't for the rumors of Mark Jackson pitting his own players against each other. Where'd you hear those rumors at... and when? And yes, the "when" you hear the rumors matter and could factor in if they're really true or not. I just haven't heard such a thing, and honestly couldn't imagine it either. And Walton you had as third on your list, if I remember that correctly from earlier... It's not a bad option, and any head coach now (unless someone is fired in the playoffs) would be a deal that would require a lot of risk, but I think Luke Walton is the guy to go, considering I don't see Calipari or Ollie leaving college for the NBA. |
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Post by --------- on Apr 26, 2016 2:58:23 GMT -5
Oh well I wasn't paying attention until just now  I was hoping for something like a Clippers vs Cavs finals but I guess that isn't happening. Honestly, I'm hoping for an exciting Finals that does not include Golden State. I would be happy with a Spurs vs Cavs/Heat/Pacers Finals. Eh, if Golden State can survive Curry's sprain, they will be the champions, which I'll be fine with. Really don't want Cleveland or Oklahoma City to win. It's really hard for me to pick who I want to win. I hate going for the rival Spurs but I really don't like the Warriors. At the same time I REALLY don't want OKC getting far in the Playoffs so KD can end up elsewhere and shake things up in the NBA. I also don't care for many of the other teams and the teams I do like simply aren't good enough to do anything yet such as the Detroit Pistons. |
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Post by --------- on Apr 26, 2016 3:01:20 GMT -5
I'm not sold on Walton. He was not there when the Warriors rebuilt, he's been there just as long as Kerr has. I don't think Walton is responsible for the Warriors great start to the season. He was simply executing Steve Kerr's plan with a group of great players. Can he develop these young guys? I don't know. Can he win as thee head coach with lesser players? I don't know. Of course he could be a great coach but I'm just not sold. I'd almost be more willing to pick up Mark Jackson over him if it weren't for the rumors of Mark Jackson pitting his own players against each other. Where'd you hear those rumors at... and when? And yes, the "when" you hear the rumors matter and could factor in if they're really true or not. I just haven't heard such a thing, and honestly couldn't imagine it either. And Walton you had as third on your list, if I remember that correctly from earlier... It's not a bad option, and any head coach now (unless someone is fired in the playoffs) would be a deal that would require a lot of risk, but I think Luke Walton is the guy to go, considering I don't see Calipari or Ollie leaving college for the NBA. I don't remember where I heard about the Mark Jackson thing but it was a while ago and it's been brought up by others when discussing who should ne the Lakers next HC. I don't know if it's true or not but I'm not taking that risk with the drama that the Lakers experienced this past season. BTW I forgot to mention earlier that whomever the Lakers hire is not a "Plan B" because if they wanted Thibs they would've fored Byron much sooner. I wouldn't want Thibs near the Lakers young core at all! He will get you going and establish some great defensive sets but he will run the best players into the ground along with having issues with the front office. As far as Cal and Ollie are concerned, I've already said Calipari is never going to leave Kentucky to go to the Lakers especially when the Lakers would never give a coach GM responsibilities. Ollie on the other hand is reportedly interested in the Lakers but that could easily be a smokescreen set up by the Lakers FO. Ollie would be an okay hire but again not 100% sold. If there is anyone I'm sold on it is Etorre Messina. Although, one name I have heard who could be a dark horse candidate is UNC's Roy Williams but that'd be insane considering his age. Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak is from UNC and has shown a bit of favoritism towards UNC alumni in the past. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 3:09:03 GMT -5
Eh, if Golden State can survive Curry's sprain, they will be the champions, which I'll be fine with. Really don't want Cleveland or Oklahoma City to win. It's really hard for me to pick who I want to win. I hate going for the rival Spurs but I really don't like the Warriors. At the same time I REALLY don't want OKC getting far in the Playoffs so KD can end up elsewhere and shake things up in the NBA. I also don't care for many of the other teams and the teams I do like simply aren't good enough to do anything yet such as the Detroit Pistons. Pistons just got eliminated, which is a shame, considering I knew the Cavs wouldn't lose, but I'd like to have it at least go 5-6 games to give a team the formula to beat Cleveland, or at least bring some dysfunction between the Cavalier players... But maybe it's better that they wait until the conference finals before they're tested and punched in the mouth, so to speak in football terminology. I'm thinking the same thing with Thunder, because if they get dominated in 4-5 games by the Spurs in this second round, I can totally see Durant exploring other options. Though I don't see KD leaving Oklahoma City to go to a place like the Lakers or Wizards, I could see him going to a place ready to contend now, though he could shine, but not have to carry the team and the entire franchise on his back. Honestly, I really think it'll come down to Warriors and Cavaliers (again), but things seem to be shaken up with Curry's injury... A lot of people think San Antonio will win (as does Vegas), but I don't see the Warriors having gone 72-9 in the regular season, that they'd lose now. I don't believe a team in the NBA is good enough to beat the Warriors, when healthy, in a seven-game series. Many point out the Spurs, however, Golden State would hold home-court advantage in that series and would likely win in 7. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 3:11:19 GMT -5
Where'd you hear those rumors at... and when? And yes, the "when" you hear the rumors matter and could factor in if they're really true or not. I just haven't heard such a thing, and honestly couldn't imagine it either. And Walton you had as third on your list, if I remember that correctly from earlier... It's not a bad option, and any head coach now (unless someone is fired in the playoffs) would be a deal that would require a lot of risk, but I think Luke Walton is the guy to go, considering I don't see Calipari or Ollie leaving college for the NBA. I don't remember where I heard about the Mark Jackson thing but it was a while ago and it's been brought up by others when discussing who should ne the Lakers next HC. I don't know if it's true or not but I'm not taking that risk with the drama that the Lakers experienced this past season. BTW I forgot to mention earlier that whomever the Lakers hire is not a "Plan B" because if they wanted Thibs they would've fored Byron much sooner. I wouldn't want Thibs near the Lakers young core at all! He will get you going and establish some great defensive sets but he will run the best players into the ground along with having issues with the front office. As far as Cal and Ollie are concerned, I've already said Calipari is never going to leave Kentucky to go to the Lakers especially when the Lakers would never give a coach GM responsibilities. Ollie on the other hand is reportedly interested in the Lakers but that could easily be a smokescreen set up by the Lakers FO. Ollie would be an okay hire but again not 100% sold. If there is anyone I'm sold on it is Etorre Messina. Although, one name I have heard who could be a dark horse candidate is UNC's Roy Williams but that'd be insane considering his age. Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak is from UNC and has shown a bit of favoritism towards UNC alumni in the past. The only reason I shut down Kevin Ollie, though being a heck of a coach, is that he just doesn't want the NBA job. I watched his interview on The Herd, and though Colin said he'd make a terrific coach, Ollie shut it down and said he's happy at UConn, and I believed him, and he convinced both Colin and I. I don't see Ollie going anywhere, and I'm pretty sure he's signed an extension in the last year or so, if I recall. |
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Post by --------- on Apr 26, 2016 3:11:39 GMT -5
It's really hard for me to pick who I want to win. I hate going for the rival Spurs but I really don't like the Warriors. At the same time I REALLY don't want OKC getting far in the Playoffs so KD can end up elsewhere and shake things up in the NBA. I also don't care for many of the other teams and the teams I do like simply aren't good enough to do anything yet such as the Detroit Pistons. Pistons just got eliminated, which is a shame, considering I knew the Cavs wouldn't lose, but I'd like to have it at least go 5-6 games to give a team the formula to beat Cleveland, or at least bring some dysfunction between the Cavalier players... But maybe it's better that they wait until the conference finals before they're tested and punched in the mouth, so to speak in football terminology. I'm thinking the same thing with Thunder, because if they get dominated in 4-5 games by the Spurs in this second round, I can totally see Durant exploring other options. Though I don't see KD leaving Oklahoma City to go to a place like the Lakers or Wizards, I could see him going to a place ready to contend now, though he could shine, but not have to carry the team and the entire franchise on his back. Honestly, I really think it'll come down to Warriors and Cavaliers (again), but things seem to be shaken up with Curry's injury... A lot of people think San Antonio will win (as does Vegas), but I don't see the Warriors having gone 72-9 in the regular season, that they'd lose now. I don't believe a team in the NBA is good enough to beat the Warriors, when healthy, in a seven-game series. Many point out the Spurs, however, Golden State would hold home-court advantage in that series and would likely win in 7. Oh yeah I know Golden State is winning it all but I really REALLY don't want them to. If it is the obvious Golden State vs Cleveland Finals, I'm rooting for Cleveland. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 3:13:46 GMT -5
Pistons just got eliminated, which is a shame, considering I knew the Cavs wouldn't lose, but I'd like to have it at least go 5-6 games to give a team the formula to beat Cleveland, or at least bring some dysfunction between the Cavalier players... But maybe it's better that they wait until the conference finals before they're tested and punched in the mouth, so to speak in football terminology. I'm thinking the same thing with Thunder, because if they get dominated in 4-5 games by the Spurs in this second round, I can totally see Durant exploring other options. Though I don't see KD leaving Oklahoma City to go to a place like the Lakers or Wizards, I could see him going to a place ready to contend now, though he could shine, but not have to carry the team and the entire franchise on his back. Honestly, I really think it'll come down to Warriors and Cavaliers (again), but things seem to be shaken up with Curry's injury... A lot of people think San Antonio will win (as does Vegas), but I don't see the Warriors having gone 72-9 in the regular season, that they'd lose now. I don't believe a team in the NBA is good enough to beat the Warriors, when healthy, in a seven-game series. Many point out the Spurs, however, Golden State would hold home-court advantage in that series and would likely win in 7. Oh yeah I know Golden State is winning it all but I really REALLY don't want them to. If it is the obvious Golden State vs Cleveland Finals, I'm rooting for Cleveland. Did you ever root for the Heat in the Finals when LeBron was playing dress-up in South Beach? |
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Post by --------- on Apr 26, 2016 3:16:40 GMT -5
I don't remember where I heard about the Mark Jackson thing but it was a while ago and it's been brought up by others when discussing who should ne the Lakers next HC. I don't know if it's true or not but I'm not taking that risk with the drama that the Lakers experienced this past season. BTW I forgot to mention earlier that whomever the Lakers hire is not a "Plan B" because if they wanted Thibs they would've fored Byron much sooner. I wouldn't want Thibs near the Lakers young core at all! He will get you going and establish some great defensive sets but he will run the best players into the ground along with having issues with the front office. As far as Cal and Ollie are concerned, I've already said Calipari is never going to leave Kentucky to go to the Lakers especially when the Lakers would never give a coach GM responsibilities. Ollie on the other hand is reportedly interested in the Lakers but that could easily be a smokescreen set up by the Lakers FO. Ollie would be an okay hire but again not 100% sold. If there is anyone I'm sold on it is Etorre Messina. Although, one name I have heard who could be a dark horse candidate is UNC's Roy Williams but that'd be insane considering his age. Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak is from UNC and has shown a bit of favoritism towards UNC alumni in the past. The only reason I shut down Kevin Ollie, though being a heck of a coach, is that he just doesn't want the NBA job. I watched his interview on The Herd, and though Colin said he'd make a terrific coach, Ollie shut it down and said he's happy at UConn, and I believed him, and he convinced both Colin and I. I don't see Ollie going anywhere, and I'm pretty sure he's signed an extension in the last year or so, if I recall. Yeah, I keep hearing his name come up but I'm not a huge fan of it. He'd be good at managing the locker room and players but I am not so sure about his coaching abilites. He relies very heavily on the pick and roll and not much else. My list was a combination of what I want and what I thought was plausible and Ollie is mentioned a lot by the media as a HC candidate. |
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Post by --------- on Apr 26, 2016 3:17:08 GMT -5
Oh yeah I know Golden State is winning it all but I really REALLY don't want them to. If it is the obvious Golden State vs Cleveland Finals, I'm rooting for Cleveland. Did you ever root for the Heat in the Finals when LeBron was playing dress-up in South Beach? No, but I did when Shaq was. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 3:22:24 GMT -5
The only reason I shut down Kevin Ollie, though being a heck of a coach, is that he just doesn't want the NBA job. I watched his interview on The Herd, and though Colin said he'd make a terrific coach, Ollie shut it down and said he's happy at UConn, and I believed him, and he convinced both Colin and I. I don't see Ollie going anywhere, and I'm pretty sure he's signed an extension in the last year or so, if I recall. Yeah, I keep hearing his name come up but I'm not a huge fan of it. He'd be good at managing the locker room and players but I am not so sure about his coaching abilites. He relies very heavily on the pick and roll and not much else. My list was a combination of what I want and what I thought was plausible and Ollie is mentioned a lot by the media as a HC candidate. And yeah, you bring up a great point there. When it comes to the media, they LOVE running stories on who could be the next something. For example, with the draft, a common point has been "Who will Dallas draft to be Tony Romo's successor", and particularly this year it's been "Who will the Broncos draft to replace Peyton Manning". Note, they won't name the obscure quarterbacks, but clicks will come by the biggest name out there. That's why mentioned in recent years was Johnny Manziel, and this year before the trades, people were hammering for Cowboys to take a BACKUP quarterback at 4, even with woes to the defense. That's also why you see things about Denver trading up for Paxton Lynch... The media won't name the smart options, taking a backup quarterback on Day 2 or 3 and grooming them for a few years, and instead of looking like they have sense, they just mention the top QB on the board and move on. Same with head coaches. We don't hear the obscure ideas, like tonight was the first time I had even heard of Messina. All I've heard with head coaches are the Caliparis, Ollies, Brooks, Thibs, because those are the "big names".. I've even heard Phil Jackson, believe it or not haha |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 3:26:11 GMT -5
Did you ever root for the Heat in the Finals when LeBron was playing dress-up in South Beach? No, but I did when Shaq was. Then don't pull for the Cavs now!! Championships always elude them, so don't get your hopes up. Instead, get your Dubs gear on, gather some friends, and shoot hoops like you're the third Splash Bro. Speaking of Shaq and that team, I was watching some old games as the Heat played Kobe and such, and I got to thinking about Udonis Haslem. I really wish Haslem had kept an important part in the rotation, and even with Chris Bosh sidelined at the moment, the franchise's leading rebounder hardly sees the court... I mean, small ball is fine, but sometimes you need to get true power forwards like Udonis Haslem and Josh McRoberts on that court and help in the rebounding totals. |
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Post by --------- on Apr 26, 2016 3:30:53 GMT -5
Yeah, I keep hearing his name come up but I'm not a huge fan of it. He'd be good at managing the locker room and players but I am not so sure about his coaching abilites. He relies very heavily on the pick and roll and not much else. My list was a combination of what I want and what I thought was plausible and Ollie is mentioned a lot by the media as a HC candidate. And yeah, you bring up a great point there. When it comes to the media, they LOVE running stories on who could be the next something. For example, with the draft, a common point has been "Who will Dallas draft to be Tony Romo's successor", and particularly this year it's been "Who will the Broncos draft to replace Peyton Manning". Note, they won't name the obscure quarterbacks, but clicks will come by the biggest name out there. That's why mentioned in recent years was Johnny Manziel, and this year before the trades, people were hammering for Cowboys to take a BACKUP quarterback at 4, even with woes to the defense. That's also why you see things about Denver trading up for Paxton Lynch... The media won't name the smart options, taking a backup quarterback on Day 2 or 3 and grooming them for a few years, and instead of looking like they have sense, they just mention the top QB on the board and move on. Same with head coaches. We don't hear the obscure ideas, like tonight was the first time I had even heard of Messina. All I've heard with head coaches are the Caliparis, Ollies, Brooks, Thibs, because those are the "big names".. I've even heard Phil Jackson, believe it or not haha Yeah and 4 out of 5 of those names I don't think are even great picks to be the next HC of the Lakers and none of them are realistic. I swear if the Lakers do end up with Etorre Messina I think people will start wondering if I'm secretly Mitch Kupchak because I called D'Angelo Russell getting picked instead of Okafor and now I'm saying Ettore Messina while everyone else is screaming Luke Walton. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 3:34:19 GMT -5
And yeah, you bring up a great point there. When it comes to the media, they LOVE running stories on who could be the next something. For example, with the draft, a common point has been "Who will Dallas draft to be Tony Romo's successor", and particularly this year it's been "Who will the Broncos draft to replace Peyton Manning". Note, they won't name the obscure quarterbacks, but clicks will come by the biggest name out there. That's why mentioned in recent years was Johnny Manziel, and this year before the trades, people were hammering for Cowboys to take a BACKUP quarterback at 4, even with woes to the defense. That's also why you see things about Denver trading up for Paxton Lynch... The media won't name the smart options, taking a backup quarterback on Day 2 or 3 and grooming them for a few years, and instead of looking like they have sense, they just mention the top QB on the board and move on. Same with head coaches. We don't hear the obscure ideas, like tonight was the first time I had even heard of Messina. All I've heard with head coaches are the Caliparis, Ollies, Brooks, Thibs, because those are the "big names".. I've even heard Phil Jackson, believe it or not haha Yeah and 4 out of 5 of those names I don't think are even great picks to be the next HC of the Lakers and none of them are realistic. I swear if the Lakers do end up with Etorre Messina I think people will start wondering if I'm secretly Mitch Kupchak because I called D'Angelo Russell getting picked instead of Okafor and now I'm saying Ettore Messina while everyone else is screaming Luke Walton. Everyone else = Michael. Though D'Angelo Russell was a fantastic pick, Okafor still would've been good... But man, we'll look back on the 2015 NBA Draft and applaud it with KAT, Russell, Okafor, Porzingis, Johnson, Kaminsky, Winslow, and so many others who I feel will contribute like Montrezl Harrell, Myles Turner, and even a 2nd-round pick Josh Richardson is making his name known. But then on the other side, the 2016 Draft, I feel, will be one of the worst in recent memory. |
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Post by --------- on Apr 26, 2016 3:38:25 GMT -5
No, but I did when Shaq was. Then don't pull for the Cavs now!! Championships always elude them, so don't get your hopes up. Instead, get your Dubs gear on, gather some friends, and shoot hoops like you're the third Splash Bro. Speaking of Shaq and that team, I was watching some old games as the Heat played Kobe and such, and I got to thinking about Udonis Haslem. I really wish Haslem had kept an important part in the rotation, and even with Chris Bosh sidelined at the moment, the franchise's leading rebounder hardly sees the court... I mean, small ball is fine, but sometimes you need to get true power forwards like Udonis Haslem and Josh McRoberts on that court and help in the rebounding totals. I don't think you realize how much I dislike the Golden State Warriors. I am watching former 'Laker fans' jump onto that bandwagon and walk around SoCal in their Steph Curry jerseys. Meanwhile, I watch a team that was essentially built by a former Laker great who also is responsible for the last 20 years of Laker basketball that included 5 championships and now he's gone on to denounce his Lakerdom in favor of the Golden State Warriors. I also kind of feel bad for the Cleveland fans, they've been through so much that I feel like they deserve just one championship. It'll be there only chance in a while considering LeBron can only go downhill from here. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 3:42:58 GMT -5
Then don't pull for the Cavs now!! Championships always elude them, so don't get your hopes up. Instead, get your Dubs gear on, gather some friends, and shoot hoops like you're the third Splash Bro. Speaking of Shaq and that team, I was watching some old games as the Heat played Kobe and such, and I got to thinking about Udonis Haslem. I really wish Haslem had kept an important part in the rotation, and even with Chris Bosh sidelined at the moment, the franchise's leading rebounder hardly sees the court... I mean, small ball is fine, but sometimes you need to get true power forwards like Udonis Haslem and Josh McRoberts on that court and help in the rebounding totals. I don't think you realize how much I dislike the Golden State Warriors. I am watching former 'Laker fans' jump onto that bandwagon and walk around SoCal in their Steph Curry jerseys. Meanwhile, I watch a team that was essentially built by a former Laker great who also is responsible for the last 20 years of Laker basketball that included 5 championships and now he's gone on to denounce his Lakerdom in favor of the Golden State Warriors. I also kind of feel bad for the Cleveland fans, they've been through so much that I feel like they deserve just one championship. It'll be there only chance in a while considering LeBron can only go downhill from here. LeBron's beginning to decline physically, so he's on his way down like every great, and guys like Steph Curry will eventually regress. Perhaps the only way they can't is by steroids lol But I get what you're saying. I've seen the Panthers and Hornets suddenly become great, and the handful of Panther fans and the ONE Hornets fan I knew here in North Carolina has turned into sooooo many just in the last 6 months. Who knew there'd be actual bandwagon fans in their own area, but it's happened. I know one guy who has been a "LeBron/Cavs fan" who went to the Hornets/Heat game tonight and he's decked out in Charlotte Hornets gear... Think about that. (And this is the same guy who writes sports for the local newspaper) So yeah, North Carolina is THE bandwagon state, so I feel you there. |
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I was hoping for something like a Clippers vs Cavs finals but I guess that isn't happening. Honestly, I'm hoping for an exciting Finals that does not include Golden State. I would be happy with a Spurs vs Cavs/Heat/Pacers Finals. 